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These two chapters were very interesting, but I felt that some of the stories were unnecessary. It seems like the chapters would have been ten pages shorter if some of the stories were taken out. But some of them offered some good examples about what Gutierrez was trying to say. These chapters looked into marriage, but more importantly they offered a peak into society in Spanish New Mexico. Some points in particular were, I thought, very fascinating. The first one was on the parties and fiestas that were a breeeding ground for sinful lust. It kind of reminded me of the Mardi Gras or Carnival. These were public events where people were expected to break away from social norms. In fact, the system set this time apart for people to break norms... but not to go too far. The other interesting point in this chapter was on how priests actually went against parental wishes sometimes in order to marry a couple if the couple wished it. It reminded me of a couple I know who were trying to get married but the bride's parents were not happy about her marrying the guy. After a number of attempts to set up the date and the parents constantly saying they couldn't make it on the days, the priest finally threw his arms up in the air and said 'forget it, it's your marriage, not their's, we're setting up a date and the parents don't have to make it if they don't want to.' Well, the parents didn't want to make it and the couple eloped.- Celia | These two chapters were very interesting, but I felt that some of the stories were unnecessary. It seems like the chapters would have been ten pages shorter if some of the stories were taken out. But some of them offered some good examples about what Gutierrez was trying to say. These chapters looked into marriage, but more importantly they offered a peak into society in Spanish New Mexico. Some points in particular were, I thought, very fascinating. The first one was on the parties and fiestas that were a breeeding ground for sinful lust. It kind of reminded me of the Mardi Gras or Carnival. These were public events where people were expected to break away from social norms. In fact, the system set this time apart for people to break norms... but not to go too far. The other interesting point in this chapter was on how priests actually went against parental wishes sometimes in order to marry a couple if the couple wished it. It reminded me of a couple I know who were trying to get married but the bride's parents were not happy about her marrying the guy. After a number of attempts to set up the date and the parents constantly saying they couldn't make it on the days, the priest finally threw his arms up in the air and said 'forget it, it's your marriage, not their's, we're setting up a date and the parents don't have to make it if they don't want to.' Well, the parents didn't want to make it and the couple eloped.- Celia | ||
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| + | Responding to Celia's comment: I was also intrigued by the fact that the clergy often supported young couples in love. It reminds me of the priest in Romeo and Juliet. -- Rebecca | ||
I found the section on rituals and holidays as opportunities for sexual impropriety particularly interesting. The atmosphere of celebration, the consumption of alcohol, and the fact that people were distracted created the perfect environment for young people to be sexually inappropriate. Later on Gutierrez discusses the role of the Church in prohibiting and preaching against such social gatherings, particularly dances. I cannot help but think of other conservative Christian groups that even today still ban dancing, drinking, card playing, etc. for the same argument that they breed and provide the perfect environment for sin to flourish. – Mary Beth | I found the section on rituals and holidays as opportunities for sexual impropriety particularly interesting. The atmosphere of celebration, the consumption of alcohol, and the fact that people were distracted created the perfect environment for young people to be sexually inappropriate. Later on Gutierrez discusses the role of the Church in prohibiting and preaching against such social gatherings, particularly dances. I cannot help but think of other conservative Christian groups that even today still ban dancing, drinking, card playing, etc. for the same argument that they breed and provide the perfect environment for sin to flourish. – Mary Beth | ||
| − | One point I found particularly interesting was the distinction between valid and legitimate matrimony. Prior to the Council of Trent, valid indicated a monogamous, faithful relationship between two people for the rest of their lives, while legitimate was reserved as a description of marriages only ordained by the priest. We see the need for the Church to clarify such a distinction and with the Council of Trent elevate marriage to the status of a sacrament and require consent, witnesses, and a priest for the marriage to be official. I wonder if in other ethnic groups this type of distinction existed? What was the effect of the Council of Trent on marriages in other ethnic groups? – Mary Beth | + | One point I found particularly interesting was the distinction between valid and legitimate matrimony. Prior to the Council of Trent, valid indicated a monogamous, faithful relationship between two people for the rest of their lives, while legitimate was reserved as a description of marriages only ordained by the priest. We see the need for the Church to clarify such a distinction and with the Council of Trent elevate marriage to the status of a sacrament and require consent, witnesses, and a priest for the marriage to be official. I wonder if in other ethnic groups this type of distinction existed? What was the effect of the Council of Trent on marriages in other ethnic groups? – Mary Beth |
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