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== Peter Wendover, July 4th, 1806, A Jeffersonian Sailmaker == | == Peter Wendover, July 4th, 1806, A Jeffersonian Sailmaker == | ||
| − | A Jeffersonian Sailmaker's Fourth of July Address - While reading this source i was noticing the somewhat hypocritical this man's stance was on "liberty". He kept saying things like "not inured to the tactics of war, untaught in the practice of barbarity, not accustomed to the clang of arms" to describe his fellow countrymen, apparently forgetting the way they treated the Native Americans and the African Americans! He also said they should "do to others as we wish them to do unto us"...did the colonists actually not realize the hypocrisy in their so called "morals"? He was so blatantly saying how great America was for letting everyone experience liberty and freedom, obviously forgetting that they weren't actually doing that at all! - Jessie Bright | + | A Jeffersonian Sailmaker's Fourth of July Address - While reading this source i was noticing the somewhat hypocritical this man's stance was on "liberty". He kept saying things like "not inured to the tactics of war, untaught in the practice of barbarity, not accustomed to the clang of arms" to describe his fellow countrymen, apparently forgetting the way they treated the Native Americans and the African Americans! '''He also said they should "do to others as we wish them to do unto us"...did the colonists actually not realize the hypocrisy in their so called "morals"?''' He was so blatantly saying how great America was for letting everyone experience liberty and freedom, obviously forgetting that they weren't actually doing that at all! - Jessie Bright |
| − | First of all, in "A Jeffersonian Sailmaker's Fourth of July Address" what are they talking about when they say "COLUMBIA IS FREE..."? Are they referring to D.C. because at this point the capital had been moved there? And also, it seems ironic how he uses the word slavery when he says, "death is terror, but slavery is death" because that is what they are putting African Americans through. If they realize how horrible it is to feel like a slave, then why would they have others be in that role? | + | First of all, in "A Jeffersonian Sailmaker's Fourth of July Address" '''what are they talking about when they say "COLUMBIA IS FREE..."'''? Are they referring to D.C. because at this point the capital had been moved there? And also, it seems ironic how he uses the word slavery when he says, "death is terror, but slavery is death" because that is what they are putting African Americans through. '''If they realize how horrible it is to feel like a slave, then why would they have others be in that role?''' |
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As another student commented, while reading "A Jeffersonian Sailmaker's Fourth of July Address," I was surprised by how hypocritical it was. Wendover talks about the "Emancipation of a Nation," "Equal Rights," and "Rights of Man," but all of these apply solely to white males. It just amazes me how people could proclaim these republican ideals and yet refuse to apply them to African Americans and Native Americans. -Iris Onks | As another student commented, while reading "A Jeffersonian Sailmaker's Fourth of July Address," I was surprised by how hypocritical it was. Wendover talks about the "Emancipation of a Nation," "Equal Rights," and "Rights of Man," but all of these apply solely to white males. It just amazes me how people could proclaim these republican ideals and yet refuse to apply them to African Americans and Native Americans. -Iris Onks | ||
| − | I understand that in "A Jeffersonian Sailmakers Fourth of July Address" when he first talks about "GOD, who interposed for our country, relieved us from thradldom, and saved us with an omnipotent arm...." he is talking about the God from above, but is he talking about the same God when he says "to that GOD who governs the nations, and awards the destinies of men", or someone different?- Bryan Quintana | + | '''I understand that in "A Jeffersonian Sailmakers Fourth of July Address" when he first talks about "GOD, who interposed for our country, relieved us from thradldom, and saved us with an omnipotent arm...." he is talking about the God from above, but is he talking about the same God when he says "to that GOD who governs the nations, and awards the destinies of men", or someone different?'''- Bryan Quintana |
| − | In "A Jeffersonian Sailmaker's Fourth of July Address", I found it interesting how Wendover says, “That republican principles and true patriotism, can only be promoted by the practice of the moral virtues and conscious integrity.” If the people during this time believed republican principles and moral virtue were intertwined, were the personal lives of politicians being criticized? If so, was it anywhere close to what politicians go through today? Emily King | + | In "A Jeffersonian Sailmaker's Fourth of July Address", '''I found it interesting how Wendover says, “That republican principles and true patriotism, can only be promoted by the practice of the moral virtues and conscious integrity.” If the people during this time believed republican principles and moral virtue were intertwined, were the personal lives of politicians being criticized? If so, was it anywhere close to what politicians go through today?''' Emily King |
| − | Wendover states, "...it was left for Americans to convince the potentates of Europe, that the end of all just governemnts was the happiness of the governed," (184). It seems to me that he is describing anarchy here, yet he is in favor of American governmment policies and the constitution. How was this contradiction formed? ---Laura Peters | + | Wendover states,''' "...it was left for Americans to convince the potentates of Europe, that the end of all just governemnts was the happiness of the governed," (184). It seems to me that he is describing anarchy here, yet he is in favor of American governmment policies and the constitution. How was this contradiction formed?''' ---Laura Peters |
In this reading, when Wendover saya, "...Not inured to the tactics of war, untaught in the practice of barbarity, not accustomed to the clang of arms, America trembles; all awake to foreboding fears. All alarmed at the clouds that thicken, Americans collect. The crisis is truly distressing-Death is a terror, but slavery is death."(183) This statement was very interesting because it appears that many find the situation of slavery problematic and upsetting, but yet they view it as a terror. At this point it is implied that slavery is viewed as terror because it is new to many of the colonists; is this true? However, it is also implying that everyone feels trapped by slavery. Which is more likely, the feeling of entrapment or the fact that is just fear of a new concept? Quincey Garcia | In this reading, when Wendover saya, "...Not inured to the tactics of war, untaught in the practice of barbarity, not accustomed to the clang of arms, America trembles; all awake to foreboding fears. All alarmed at the clouds that thicken, Americans collect. The crisis is truly distressing-Death is a terror, but slavery is death."(183) This statement was very interesting because it appears that many find the situation of slavery problematic and upsetting, but yet they view it as a terror. At this point it is implied that slavery is viewed as terror because it is new to many of the colonists; is this true? However, it is also implying that everyone feels trapped by slavery. Which is more likely, the feeling of entrapment or the fact that is just fear of a new concept? Quincey Garcia | ||
| − | I just think it's comical that he says "The subjects of the French King, having long groaned under the burden of oppression, taking example from the courage and magnanimity of Americans, burst their chains and nobly contended for the RIGHTS OF MAN," using such powerful and flowery rhetoric, yet the French were their "friends" and they took a vow of isolation when the French asked the Americans to return the favor of helping them fight in their revolutionary war. Where are the Americans flowery rhetoric now? -- Taja L. Winston | + | I just think it's comical that he says '''"The subjects of the French King, having long groaned under the burden of oppression, taking example from the courage and magnanimity of Americans, burst their chains and nobly contended for the RIGHTS OF MAN," using such powerful and flowery rhetoric, yet the French were their "friends" and they took a vow of isolation when the French asked the Americans to return the favor of helping them fight in their revolutionary war. Where are the Americans flowery rhetoric now?''' -- Taja L. Winston |
I am very confused by the whole COLUMBIA IS FREE business. I also really enjoyed the undertones of anarchy floating just beneath the surface of this whole document. I think it is very entertaining that a document meant to be a patriotic speech has such undertones. --- Virginia Stratton | I am very confused by the whole COLUMBIA IS FREE business. I also really enjoyed the undertones of anarchy floating just beneath the surface of this whole document. I think it is very entertaining that a document meant to be a patriotic speech has such undertones. --- Virginia Stratton | ||
