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		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;‎&lt;span dir=&quot;auto&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;autocomment&quot;&gt;Photos taken during WWII by Esther Bubley&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&#039;diff-marker&#039;&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f9f9f9; color: #333333; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #e6e6e6; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;I enjoyed looking at these photographs, Esther Bubley truly captured “average Americans” just as she intended to.&amp;#160; &amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;The image that struck me the most was the Instructor of the Capital Transit Company.&amp;#160; The title from the website describes exactly what I was thinking: “Bending gender roles for ‘the duration’”.&amp;#160; This is the image that was painted in class on Tuesday when we were talking about women working outside the home in “men’s” positions.&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#160; I wonder how the men behind the instructor felt when they were being taught by a woman. They look about 40 in the photo so it must have been quite a transition for them. &amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039; I wonder how the men who stayed behind during the war felt in general, I know that this is a Women’s History course but WWII was a turning point for women in the work place, and I wonder how much, if any, resistance they were met with from the men who had stayed behind. &amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039; Just a thought. – Caryn Levine&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&#039;diff-marker&#039;&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f9f9f9; color: #333333; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #e6e6e6; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;I enjoyed looking at these photographs, Esther Bubley truly captured “average Americans” just as she intended to.&amp;#160; &amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;The image that struck me the most was the Instructor of the Capital Transit Company.&amp;#160; The title from the website describes exactly what I was thinking: “Bending gender roles for ‘the duration’”.&amp;#160; This is the image that was painted in class on Tuesday when we were talking about women working outside the home in “men’s” positions.&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#160; I wonder how the men behind the instructor felt when they were being taught by a woman. They look about 40 in the photo so it must have been quite a transition for them. &amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039; I wonder how the men who stayed behind during the war felt in general, I know that this is a Women’s History course but WWII was a turning point for women in the work place, and I wonder how much, if any, resistance they were met with from the men who had stayed behind. &amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039; Just a thought. – Caryn Levine&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
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		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;‎&lt;span dir=&quot;auto&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;autocomment&quot;&gt;Women in the Armed Forces, Marion Stegeman&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&#039;diff-marker&#039;&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f9f9f9; color: #333333; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #e6e6e6; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;I really enjoyed this section, especially the language that Marion used (&amp;quot;smackers&amp;quot; made my day and I may have to use that at some point). I found it interesting that once she felt that she &amp;quot;had&amp;quot; to do something or report to someone in contrast to being a pilot for her own enjoyment, she made the decsion that she wanted to get married. &amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;Wouldn&amp;#039;t she have to report to her husband at that point? I feel as if she was care-free and almost living in her own personal world&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;, and was out to find personal enjoyment rather than work, which was a different way of looking at things than the previous excerts that we have read. Most of the women that we have read are looking for work for extra spending money (or survival money during the Depression) and if they enjoy it then its a bonus, whereas Marion is looking for enjoyment first. --jmarshal&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&#039;diff-marker&#039;&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f9f9f9; color: #333333; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #e6e6e6; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;I really enjoyed this section, especially the language that Marion used (&amp;quot;smackers&amp;quot; made my day and I may have to use that at some point). I found it interesting that once she felt that she &amp;quot;had&amp;quot; to do something or report to someone in contrast to being a pilot for her own enjoyment, she made the decsion that she wanted to get married. &amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;Wouldn&amp;#039;t she have to report to her husband at that point? I feel as if she was care-free and almost living in her own personal world&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;, and was out to find personal enjoyment rather than work, which was a different way of looking at things than the previous excerts that we have read. Most of the women that we have read are looking for work for extra spending money (or survival money during the Depression) and if they enjoy it then its a bonus, whereas Marion is looking for enjoyment first. --jmarshal&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
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&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&#039;diff-marker&#039;&gt;−&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color:black; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;This was an especially interesting article for me to read. Last year, I attended the United States Naval Academy as a midshipman, with the intent to complete my four years of undergraduate work and be commissioned as an officer. Needless to say, this essay struck a personal note with me. It was interesting to see how roles, perceptions, and outlooks of women in the milita ry have changed over the past 60-70 years. All of the women seem very optimistic and determined, a trait that has not left many females in the military today. There is some hint of discrimination or unhappiness present, though not as much as I expected. These women seem to be concerned with the thrill of being able to participate. And still many of the other issues discussed are still relevant in today&amp;#039;s world.--MDvorak&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&#039;diff-marker&#039;&gt;+&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color:black; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;This was an especially interesting article for me to read. Last year, I attended the United States Naval Academy as a midshipman, with the intent to complete my four years of undergraduate work and be commissioned as an officer. Needless to say, this essay struck a personal note with me. &lt;ins class=&quot;diffchange diffchange-inline&quot;&gt;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&lt;/ins&gt;It was interesting to see how roles, perceptions, and outlooks of women in the milita ry have changed over the past 60-70 years.&lt;ins class=&quot;diffchange diffchange-inline&quot;&gt;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039; &lt;/ins&gt;All of the women seem very optimistic and determined, a trait that has not left many females in the military today. There is some hint of discrimination or unhappiness present, though not as much as I expected. These women seem to be concerned with the thrill of being able to participate. And still many of the other issues discussed are still relevant in today&amp;#039;s world.--MDvorak&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
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