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		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;64.12.116.198: /* Frederick Law Olmsted, 1861, Cotton Kingdom */&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;== Bennett Barrow’s Plantation Journal, May, 1838 ==&lt;br /&gt;
In Bennet Barrow&amp;#039;s &amp;quot;Highland Plantation Journal&amp;quot; he states, &amp;quot;The negro who is accustomed to remain constantly at Home, is just as satisfied with society on the plantation as that which he would find elsewhere, and the verry restrictions laid upon him being equally imposed on others, he does not feel them, for society is kept at Home for them...&amp;quot; If it was the case that slaves were content at the plantation, then why would the owners fear rebellion and why would they run away? This doesn&amp;#039;t seem to make sense to me. It sounds more like he is trying to convince himself that they are content to perhaps ease a guilty conscience. -Melissa Brokaw&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Bennet Barrow&amp;#039;s &amp;quot;Highland Plantation Journal.&amp;quot; Did other slave-owners have similar rules as Bennet Barrow? I wasn&amp;#039;t sure by reading his journal if his rules were successful or not, were they? The way he wrote in his journal conveyed an image of a man of pride and accomplishment, but did he possibly write in bias of himself? Is there any evidence of slave-owners sincerely concerned for their slaves and kind to them? -Nick Scott&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
I found Bennet Barrow&amp;#039;s &amp;quot;Highland Plantation Journal&amp;quot; to be contradictory.  The article seems contradictory in the sense that the rules that are set and what Barrow is explaining don&amp;#039;t really match up.  He keeps talking about how important it is for the slaves to be happy and how he is providing everything essential for their happiness but then he sets rules that limit them so much that there is no way that the slaves could ever attain any degree of happiness.  Does he not see this?  Barrow comes across as a man who feels very superior to others; like he is the generous and caring man who deserves nothing but the best in return.  Did all slave owners feel this way?  Like they deserved praise from their slaves for providing them with necessities? -Jenna Shevlin&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Bennet Barrow states, &amp;quot;The verry securtiy of the plantation requires that a general and uniform control over the people of it should be exercised,&amp;quot; (244). He then explains that the slaves are supposed to protect the plantation from intruders. I find it interesting that he is master over these slaves, and believes the security of his plantation is dependent on the slaves protection of it, yet he is still afraid of them. It seems that Barrow and slaveowners like him overlooked the logic of the situation and got lost in the justifications of slavery. ---Laura Peters&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== Nat Turner – from &amp;#039;&amp;#039;Confessions of Nat Turner&amp;#039;&amp;#039;, 1831 ==&lt;br /&gt;
The article on Nat Turner was an account that I had never heard before.  I have heard of Nat Turner in the past but never did he come across in a way that made him seem truely insane.  Are there other accounts of Nat Turner or his life which support this article?  Is he seen as someone who is insane today?  If he appears this way now I can only imagine what others thought of him back then.  Why did people follow him once he said this?  Were people just looking for reasons to revolt that they would believe anything and anyone? -Jenna Shevlin&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Nat Turner is obviously all about the visions from God. Yet he says on page 250, that he heard a voice and, &amp;quot;withdrew [him]self as much as [his] situation would permit, from the intercourse of [his] fellow servants, for the avowed  purpose of serving the Spirit more fully,&amp;quot; He never explains the logic behind this action of withdrawing from his peers, and why would he do that when he needed support to fulfill his believed divine destiny? ---Laura Peters&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
In my opinion, slavery is an unjustifiable part of American history. Although Turner&amp;#039;s actions made&lt;br /&gt;
great historical impact, killing innocent people including women and children cannot be justified either. Turner seems like just another religious nut killing in the name of God. Do any people actually see these actions as heroic?- Jake Guralnik&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Nat Turner was interesting because of all the crazy opinions and feelings he had about religion and his place in life. He was very extreme in the source and i was curious as to what exactly were his real thoughts and what were those of the white lawyer that was interviewing him. It is probably not a long shot to assume that maybe all of this crazy talk was just the lawyer trying to justify to southern readers that this man was an exception to most slaves because he was insane, not because he was right in his actions towards white men. He also mentioned how kind his master was to him and how he could not complain. I find this hard to believe...did not he not plan and carry out a savage murder on his master and his entire family? I feel this may have been added in by the lawyer to preserve the integrity of white slave holders in southern America. How do we know what to take from slave sources as their own words since many of them were recorded by white men? - Jessie Bright&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== James Henry Hammond, 1845 “Letter to an English Abolitionist” ==&lt;br /&gt;
I found it interesting in James Henry Hammond&amp;#039;s Letter to an English Abolitionist, that he uses the Bible as the justification for slavery. It is interesting to me because a lot of abolitionist used the Bible to argue against slavery so it shows how differently interpret the Bible to meet their own ends. -Melissa Brokaw&lt;br /&gt;
 &lt;br /&gt;
In The Confessions of Nat Turner it says that the Sprit tells him to return to the service of his master and if he did he would no be beaten.  Could it be possible that the white man recording the confession was interpreting what Turner said differently?  He could have been siding with the white saying that the slave liked working for their masters- but this is usually not true. ~Renee Rosser&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Hammond reveals how egocentric he is when he begins to explain that all slaveowners treat their slaves kindly because it will increase profits.Surely not all slaveowners felt or acted this way. Was this egocentrism a common attribute to white, adult males in the south at this time? ---Laura Peters&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Hammond stated that no where in the Bible was slavery mentioned as a sin and he cited Moses in this argument as well. Were slaveowners aware that slaves were using Christianity and more specifically the story of Moses to argue for their freedom? -Lindsay Bothwell&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== Frederick Law Olmsted, 1861, Cotton Kingdom ==&lt;br /&gt;
Frederick Law Olmsted, &amp;quot;The Cotton Kingdom&amp;quot;, 1861. This document portrays the ignorant and apathetic mindset of the poor white families of the South. It is evident that the wealthy plantation owners have manipulated and subjugated the poor whites into believing their façade of white supremacy when in essence it was about power and money. -Nick Scott&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
In “The Cotton Kingdom”, the poor southerner sees the poor conditions of slavery and wishes its lack of existence and claims these opinions of other southerners in his position.  This man also wishes the slaves not be let free in fear “they’d steal everything we made.”  What is he referring to here:  their lifestyle, properties, position in society or literally stealing?  -Rory Reese&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The northerner, Olmsted, in “The Cotton Kingdom”, also sets up a poor community of small farmers.  When looking over their lifestyle he mentions how they lived on barely anything, seemed to be producing a fair amount of cotton and corn, but still failed to advance in society.  What kept the poor from at least being comfortable in an economic society that demanded the products these farmers were producing? –Rory Reese&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
In the Cotton Kingdom by Frederick Law Olmsted it shows the differences between abolitionists and others who didn’t like slavery.  The poor farmers did not really like the idea of abolishing slavery but they did want to get rid of the African Americans in the south.  They felt that if the slaves were freed then there would be too many African Americans freed in the town. ~Renee Rosser&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
I still don&amp;#039;t&amp;#039; really understand why poor farmers were pro-slavery, or anti-abolitionists. Weren&amp;#039;t these large plantations their competition as far as selling cotton? Weren&amp;#039;t these large plantations monopolizing the best soil, as well as the majority of the cotton economy in the south? I understand why these white farmers were fearful of an uprising, but wouldn&amp;#039;t they prosper in a free labor economy? --Lindsay Bothwell&lt;br /&gt;
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In &amp;quot;Cotton Kingdom&amp;quot; i was surprised by the white farmer&amp;#039;s attitude toward black slaves. I had thought that most white farmers if they didn&amp;#039;t have slaves, wanted slaves and weren&amp;#039;t happy about having to do what they considered &amp;quot;slave work&amp;quot;. This family seemed different from what i had assumed. They almost seemed to feel sorry for the black slaves and pitied them their hard life. I won&amp;#039;t go as far to assume that they wanted to free them, but i did feel that they may have sympathized with them a little? - Jessie Bright&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;64.12.116.198: /* Nat Turner – from &amp;#039;&amp;#039;Confessions of Nat Turner&amp;#039;&amp;#039;, 1831 */&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;hr /&gt;
&lt;div&gt;== Bennett Barrow’s Plantation Journal, May, 1838 ==&lt;br /&gt;
In Bennet Barrow&amp;#039;s &amp;quot;Highland Plantation Journal&amp;quot; he states, &amp;quot;The negro who is accustomed to remain constantly at Home, is just as satisfied with society on the plantation as that which he would find elsewhere, and the verry restrictions laid upon him being equally imposed on others, he does not feel them, for society is kept at Home for them...&amp;quot; If it was the case that slaves were content at the plantation, then why would the owners fear rebellion and why would they run away? This doesn&amp;#039;t seem to make sense to me. It sounds more like he is trying to convince himself that they are content to perhaps ease a guilty conscience. -Melissa Brokaw&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Bennet Barrow&amp;#039;s &amp;quot;Highland Plantation Journal.&amp;quot; Did other slave-owners have similar rules as Bennet Barrow? I wasn&amp;#039;t sure by reading his journal if his rules were successful or not, were they? The way he wrote in his journal conveyed an image of a man of pride and accomplishment, but did he possibly write in bias of himself? Is there any evidence of slave-owners sincerely concerned for their slaves and kind to them? -Nick Scott&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
I found Bennet Barrow&amp;#039;s &amp;quot;Highland Plantation Journal&amp;quot; to be contradictory.  The article seems contradictory in the sense that the rules that are set and what Barrow is explaining don&amp;#039;t really match up.  He keeps talking about how important it is for the slaves to be happy and how he is providing everything essential for their happiness but then he sets rules that limit them so much that there is no way that the slaves could ever attain any degree of happiness.  Does he not see this?  Barrow comes across as a man who feels very superior to others; like he is the generous and caring man who deserves nothing but the best in return.  Did all slave owners feel this way?  Like they deserved praise from their slaves for providing them with necessities? -Jenna Shevlin&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Bennet Barrow states, &amp;quot;The verry securtiy of the plantation requires that a general and uniform control over the people of it should be exercised,&amp;quot; (244). He then explains that the slaves are supposed to protect the plantation from intruders. I find it interesting that he is master over these slaves, and believes the security of his plantation is dependent on the slaves protection of it, yet he is still afraid of them. It seems that Barrow and slaveowners like him overlooked the logic of the situation and got lost in the justifications of slavery. ---Laura Peters&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== Nat Turner – from &amp;#039;&amp;#039;Confessions of Nat Turner&amp;#039;&amp;#039;, 1831 ==&lt;br /&gt;
The article on Nat Turner was an account that I had never heard before.  I have heard of Nat Turner in the past but never did he come across in a way that made him seem truely insane.  Are there other accounts of Nat Turner or his life which support this article?  Is he seen as someone who is insane today?  If he appears this way now I can only imagine what others thought of him back then.  Why did people follow him once he said this?  Were people just looking for reasons to revolt that they would believe anything and anyone? -Jenna Shevlin&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Nat Turner is obviously all about the visions from God. Yet he says on page 250, that he heard a voice and, &amp;quot;withdrew [him]self as much as [his] situation would permit, from the intercourse of [his] fellow servants, for the avowed  purpose of serving the Spirit more fully,&amp;quot; He never explains the logic behind this action of withdrawing from his peers, and why would he do that when he needed support to fulfill his believed divine destiny? ---Laura Peters&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
In my opinion, slavery is an unjustifiable part of American history. Although Turner&amp;#039;s actions made&lt;br /&gt;
great historical impact, killing innocent people including women and children cannot be justified either. Turner seems like just another religious nut killing in the name of God. Do any people actually see these actions as heroic?- Jake Guralnik&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Nat Turner was interesting because of all the crazy opinions and feelings he had about religion and his place in life. He was very extreme in the source and i was curious as to what exactly were his real thoughts and what were those of the white lawyer that was interviewing him. It is probably not a long shot to assume that maybe all of this crazy talk was just the lawyer trying to justify to southern readers that this man was an exception to most slaves because he was insane, not because he was right in his actions towards white men. He also mentioned how kind his master was to him and how he could not complain. I find this hard to believe...did not he not plan and carry out a savage murder on his master and his entire family? I feel this may have been added in by the lawyer to preserve the integrity of white slave holders in southern America. How do we know what to take from slave sources as their own words since many of them were recorded by white men? - Jessie Bright&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== James Henry Hammond, 1845 “Letter to an English Abolitionist” ==&lt;br /&gt;
I found it interesting in James Henry Hammond&amp;#039;s Letter to an English Abolitionist, that he uses the Bible as the justification for slavery. It is interesting to me because a lot of abolitionist used the Bible to argue against slavery so it shows how differently interpret the Bible to meet their own ends. -Melissa Brokaw&lt;br /&gt;
 &lt;br /&gt;
In The Confessions of Nat Turner it says that the Sprit tells him to return to the service of his master and if he did he would no be beaten.  Could it be possible that the white man recording the confession was interpreting what Turner said differently?  He could have been siding with the white saying that the slave liked working for their masters- but this is usually not true. ~Renee Rosser&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Hammond reveals how egocentric he is when he begins to explain that all slaveowners treat their slaves kindly because it will increase profits.Surely not all slaveowners felt or acted this way. Was this egocentrism a common attribute to white, adult males in the south at this time? ---Laura Peters&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Hammond stated that no where in the Bible was slavery mentioned as a sin and he cited Moses in this argument as well. Were slaveowners aware that slaves were using Christianity and more specifically the story of Moses to argue for their freedom? -Lindsay Bothwell&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== Frederick Law Olmsted, 1861, Cotton Kingdom ==&lt;br /&gt;
Frederick Law Olmsted, &amp;quot;The Cotton Kingdom&amp;quot;, 1861. This document portrays the ignorant and apathetic mindset of the poor white families of the South. It is evident that the wealthy plantation owners have manipulated and subjugated the poor whites into believing their façade of white supremacy when in essence it was about power and money. -Nick Scott&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
In “The Cotton Kingdom”, the poor southerner sees the poor conditions of slavery and wishes its lack of existence and claims these opinions of other southerners in his position.  This man also wishes the slaves not be let free in fear “they’d steal everything we made.”  What is he referring to here:  their lifestyle, properties, position in society or literally stealing?  -Rory Reese&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The northerner, Olmsted, in “The Cotton Kingdom”, also sets up a poor community of small farmers.  When looking over their lifestyle he mentions how they lived on barely anything, seemed to be producing a fair amount of cotton and corn, but still failed to advance in society.  What kept the poor from at least being comfortable in an economic society that demanded the products these farmers were producing? –Rory Reese&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
In the Cotton Kingdom by Frederick Law Olmsted it shows the differences between abolitionists and others who didn’t like slavery.  The poor farmers did not really like the idea of abolishing slavery but they did want to get rid of the African Americans in the south.  They felt that if the slaves were freed then there would be too many African Americans freed in the town. ~Renee Rosser&lt;br /&gt;
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I still don&amp;#039;t&amp;#039; really understand why poor farmers were pro-slavery, or anti-abolitionists. Weren&amp;#039;t these large plantations their competition as far as selling cotton? Weren&amp;#039;t these large plantations monopolizing the best soil, as well as the majority of the cotton economy in the south? I understand why these white farmers were fearful of an uprising, but wouldn&amp;#039;t they prosper in a free labor economy? --Lindsay Bothwell&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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